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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

me dont understand your question ... normally its the pad tat makan the disc rotors leh ... ok la unless its slotted rotors then likelihoond the pad will wear down faster ....

for front pads ... the EBC Blackstuff is about RM260-280/pair (450C), Greenstuff is about RM350-380/pair (550C) .... Project Mu Bestop (350C)is around RM350/pair.

stock honda pads is RM400+/pair fr the SC (200C) ... i think leon sells it for RM240/paid only .... if u want 20-25% improved braking performance i would suggest u just upgrade the front to either Bestop or Blackstuff together w SSBH (Goodridge or Pro RS can ady liao)

for the kind of added assurnace u get, its a small investment.

civicmg wrote:

Guy just check whether

How much will it be need to replace if the disc makan by the pad , i mean the original one ?

Did anyone write out the price for each brand of bbk ?

i saw at other thread , if we ugrade our brake kits..when time to replace for the brake pad it will cost rm500-700 per pad ?? wowo.

Is it really that expensive ?
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed wrote:
next time go to waisen's or john's car oso got tat sound ... its a high pitch metallic scratchy sound right ???

normal la ... tis is a characteristic of high temperature pads .... me & gary are lucky we dont get tis problem using the Yellowstuff. no problem 1 kenneth.

netken wrote:
of late my BBK has been producing a very loud, high pitch screetching sound ....

usually after it warms up or after 15 / 20 mins of running - in .. seems to be coming from the left side ..

it screetches so loud .. u can hear from like 100 meters away .. any ideas?



No lah... any high pitch screech is not normal- it only confirms improper fitment Exclamation

Very likely your installer did not use the proper copper-based high temperature anti-rattle grease...this grease has to be spread "kaya" style, very thin film, between the anti-rattle shim and pads' steel back face before refitting into the caliper. See my BBK installation thread on this...

If you guys need some of this goo, lemme know... Exclamation
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed wrote:
me dont understand your question ... normally its the pad tat makan the disc rotors leh ... ok la unless its slotted rotors then likelihoond the pad will wear down faster ....

for front pads ... the EBC Blackstuff is about RM260-280/pair (450C), Greenstuff is about RM350-380/pair (550C) .... Project Mu Bestop (350C)is around RM350/pair.

stock honda pads is RM400+/pair fr the SC (200C) ... i think leon sells it for RM240/paid only .... if u want 20-25% improved braking performance i would suggest u just upgrade the front to either Bestop or Blackstuff together w SSBH (Goodridge or Pro RS can ady liao)

for the kind of added assurnace u get, its a small investment.

civicmg wrote:

Guy just check whether

How much will it be need to replace if the disc makan by the pad , i mean the original one ?

Did anyone write out the price for each brand of bbk ?

i saw at other thread , if we ugrade our brake kits..when time to replace for the brake pad it will cost rm500-700 per pad ?? wowo.

Is it really that expensive ?


EBC YellowStuff is about RM530++ per front set for the SPOONs...
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ed wrote:
next time go to waisen's or john's car oso got tat sound ... its a high pitch metallic scratchy sound right ???

normal la ... tis is a characteristic of high temperature pads .... me & gary are lucky we dont get tis problem using the Yellowstuff. no problem 1 kenneth.

netken wrote:
of late my BBK has been producing a very loud, high pitch screetching sound ....

usually after it warms up or after 15 / 20 mins of running - in .. seems to be coming from the left side ..

it screetches so loud .. u can hear from like 100 meters away .. any ideas?



No lah... any high pitch screech is not normal- it only confirms improper fitment Exclamation

Very likely your installer did not use the proper copper-based high temperature anti-rattle grease...this grease has to be spread "kaya" style, very thin film, between the anti-rattle shim and pads' steel back face before refitting into the caliper. See my BBK installation thread on this...

If you guys need some of this goo, lemme know... Exclamation



Thanks to Bro Gary for the copper grease, my brakes does not produce any squealing sound and I'm on the higher rated Grand Sports Pad (Pink).

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed wrote:
next time go to waisen's or john's car oso got tat sound ... its a high pitch metallic scratchy sound right ???

normal la ... tis is a characteristic of high temperature pads .... me & gary are lucky we dont get tis problem using the Yellowstuff. no problem 1 kenneth.


yes ed - its a very high pitch metal scratching sound ... very annoying ...

but in all fairness QS did warn me that this could happen already ...

still .. hope to rectify the problem ...

EBC i believe will nvr have the screeching sound .. very reputable pads..

do u mean newguy's endless 4 and john's tarox 6 is also facing the same ?

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

torxwrench wrote:
No lah... any high pitch screech is not normal- it only confirms improper fitment Exclamation

Very likely your installer did not use the proper copper-based high temperature anti-rattle grease...this grease has to be spread "kaya" style, very thin film, between the anti-rattle shim and pads' steel back face before refitting into the caliper. See my BBK installation thread on this...

If you guys need some of this goo, lemme know... Exclamation


i think QS did not put anything in between the shim ... as far as i remember ..

.. also would like to know where did u buy the Halford Copper Greese and how much did it cost?

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did some reading and normally screetching are due to :

1. The Shims and the brake pad as indicated by bro gary.
2. All contact between the caliper and the brake pads -
VTTR even recommended to put greese in these area in their Video.
3. Improper bedding.


I would suspect prolly 1 and 2 is the culprit - some questions :

a. is there any possibility of over-greesing the shims and brake pads ?
some forum even advise to greese all points except the contact point of
the brake pads and disc.

b. what happens if we use everyday industrial heavy duty greese ?

c. is this a one time exercise until the next time u change pads / discs ?

d. what is the technical explanation y high grade brake pads screetches?

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

even ah bee's dc5 got the same sound... it need not neccessarily be due to the anti-shim plates.

do pm gary on the copper grease. he got it fr uk leh.

netken wrote:
ed wrote:
next time go to waisen's or john's car oso got tat sound ... its a high pitch metallic scratchy sound right ???

normal la ... tis is a characteristic of high temperature pads .... me & gary are lucky we dont get tis problem using the Yellowstuff. no problem 1 kenneth.


yes ed - its a very high pitch metal scratching sound ... very annoying ...

but in all fairness QS did warn me that this could happen already ...

still .. hope to rectify the problem ...

EBC i believe will nvr have the screeching sound .. very reputable pads..

do u mean newguy's endless 4 and john's tarox 6 is also facing the same ?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

netken wrote:
did some reading and normally screetching are due to :

1. The Shims and the brake pad as indicated by bro gary.
2. All contact between the caliper and the brake pads -
VTTR even recommended to put greese in these area in their Video.
3. Improper bedding.


I would suspect prolly 1 and 2 is the culprit - some questions :

a. is there any possibility of over-greesing the shims and brake pads ?
some forum even advise to greese all points except the contact point of
the brake pads and disc.

Yes, only if you apply too much. Copper grease is to be applied sparingly, just enough to lightly coat the pads' steel plate faces.


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b. what happens if we use everyday industrial heavy duty greese ?

Assuming you haven't lost all your brakes and haven't crashed yet, you can kiss your BBK bye bye Exclamation Normal grease will liquefy at high temperature, spread all over and contaminate the pads+piston bores+attack seals inside caliper, leading to total brake failure. Contaminated pads may also disintegrate. But the calipers can be salvaged with a total rebuild..


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c. is this a one time exercise until the next time u change pads / discs ?

Yes..or when you replace your rotors, and the pads have to come off as well...


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d. what is the technical explanation y high grade brake pads screetches?

Cheers!

All pads, not only high grade or high temperature pads, will vibrate at high frequency and give that screech when there is the slightest freeplay in the fit of the pads into the caliper slots. The slots have to be designed to allow for heat expansion, or else pads may jam inside. The SPOON calipers have pressed & contoured pad mounting clips for the pads to seat in properly and this helps to avoid too much freeplay in the fit.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which brake pads can be fitted onto our stock calipers without having to grind off a little?

I think that in case of brakes, EXPENSIVE does not equal GOOD (since the most expensive is the stock pads from Honda).

Don't know why these manufacturers like to come out with funny-funny color pads - why can't they stick to black...?

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcwk wrote:
Which brake pads can be fitted onto our stock calipers without having to grind off a little?

I think that in case of brakes, EXPENSIVE does not equal GOOD (since the most expensive is the stock pads from Honda).

Don't know why these manufacturers like to come out with funny-funny color pads - why can't they stick to black...?


i think besides PMu u can look for Bendix but not too sure availability ...

i kinda like the emerald green from PMu and Blue from VTTR ...

but the Grand Sport VTTR pink is like

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

omnigunk wrote:
Thanks to Bro Gary for the copper grease, my brakes does not produce any squealing sound and I'm on the higher rated Grand Sports Pad (Pink).


Bro Omni,

Where did you apply the greese ? So after u put the greese you dun have anymore screetching ?

And ur grand sports sports pads - what is the temp compared to my normal VTTR pad ?

Thanks ...

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

netken wrote:
omnigunk wrote:
Thanks to Bro Gary for the copper grease, my brakes does not produce any squealing sound and I'm on the higher rated Grand Sports Pad (Pink).


Bro Omni,

Where did you apply the greese ? So after u put the greese you dun have anymore screetching ?

And ur grand sports sports pads - what is the temp compared to my normal VTTR pad ?

Thanks ...


Bro Gary already mentioned is his earlier post. You can also refer to his Rear EBC Greenstuff DIY installation pictures.

The Grand Sports pads has the same temp rating as your blue sports pads only its materials are softer on the rotors (hence paying more) and also the friction co-efficient is higher so it bites more.

I need the higher friction pads to match my rear EBC greenstuff. For your setup, you do not need to upgrade to Grand sports pad as your pistons are larger.

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

netken wrote:
mcwk wrote:
Which brake pads can be fitted onto our stock calipers without having to grind off a little?

I think that in case of brakes, EXPENSIVE does not equal GOOD (since the most expensive is the stock pads from Honda).

Don't know why these manufacturers like to come out with funny-funny color pads - why can't they stick to black...?


i think besides PMu u can look for Bendix but not too sure availability ...

i kinda like the emerald green from PMu and Blue from VTTR ...

but the Grand Sport VTTR pink is like


Wanna keep that stock look, in case JPJ and PDRM start to kaypoh next month onwards.... Mr. Green

At least if dark color, people less likely to notice....

PINK??? I suppose I need to do a Hello Kitty bodykit to match...? Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW its quite hard to notice the colour of the VTTR sports pad as the abalone covers it nicely, anyway after about 1k pink turns to black liao.

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