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raycwf Newbie

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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: Can we change gear between N and D while car in motion? |
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I was wondering if it'll damage our gearbox if we change gears between N and D while car is moving. For example, if we're going downhill, sometimes I'd shift from D to N and let the car roll. When approaching an uphill again, I'd then shift it back to D and press the throttle. I've read somewhere that it doesn't but just wanted to confirm my understanding. I know that shifting from R to D and vice versa while car is not completely still will damage the gearbox. |
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longjohn Super ACE


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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Can we change gear between N and D while car in motion? |
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| raycwf wrote: | | I was wondering if it'll damage our gearbox if we change gears between N and D while car is moving. For example, if we're going downhill, sometimes I'd shift from D to N and let the car roll. When approaching an uphill again, I'd then shift it back to D and press the throttle. I've read somewhere that it doesn't but just wanted to confirm my understanding. I know that shifting from R to D and vice versa while car is not completely still will damage the gearbox. |
Its ok bro..no prob at all.  _________________ The BLUES |
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kjskho1 Moderator


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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:39 am Post subject: |
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shift the gear to N when downhill is risky as u will not hv the engine breaking during emergency. _________________ _______
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mcwk Committee


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klx Veteran


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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Can we change gear between N and D while car in motion? |
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| raycwf wrote: | | I was wondering if it'll damage our gearbox if we change gears between N and D while car is moving. For example, if we're going downhill, sometimes I'd shift from D to N and let the car roll. When approaching an uphill again, I'd then shift it back to D and press the throttle. I've read somewhere that it doesn't but just wanted to confirm my understanding. I know that shifting from R to D and vice versa while car is not completely still will damage the gearbox. |
what's the objective of doing so, bro? trying to save petrol?
hope u r not doing it in genting! u may save petrol, but risk your life!
the AT is designed to be placed in D and can be left that way for extended period. On the other hand, there could be increased wear & tear from moving it between D & N more than you need to. Possible internal wear from the torque converter locking and unlocking and manual shifting of gears too?
The replacement cost for AT is definitely many times higher than the brake pads costs + savings from your fuel (when put to N).
Same applies when stopping at traffic light or get caught in traffic jam.
My 2 cents.....cheers! |
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netken Committee


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Halu Satonaka Amateur Lvl 2


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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Can we change gear between N and D while car in motion? |
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| klx wrote: | | raycwf wrote: | | I was wondering if it'll damage our gearbox if we change gears between N and D while car is moving. For example, if we're going downhill, sometimes I'd shift from D to N and let the car roll. When approaching an uphill again, I'd then shift it back to D and press the throttle. I've read somewhere that it doesn't but just wanted to confirm my understanding. I know that shifting from R to D and vice versa while car is not completely still will damage the gearbox. |
what's the objective of doing so, bro? trying to save petrol?
hope u r not doing it in genting! u may save petrol, but risk your life!
the AT is designed to be placed in D and can be left that way for extended period. On the other hand, there could be increased wear & tear from moving it between D & N more than you need to. Possible internal wear from the torque converter locking and unlocking and manual shifting of gears too?
The replacement cost for AT is definitely many times higher than the brake pads costs + savings from your fuel (when put to N).
Same applies when stopping at traffic light or get caught in traffic jam.
My 2 cents.....cheers! |
i thot thats the way it shud be. i normally put the gear at N if the traffic light is still long way to turn green. but dun really disengaged gear if the traffic is just slow moving. how i wish the paddle shifter have "N,1,2,3,4,5"  |
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SpeedySnail Moderator


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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: |
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I used to do that when I am driving my manual car, but have not tried it before whenever I am driving an auto transmitted car, as I felt it is too dangerous and risking my gearbox and engine durability too. But it is just my personal perception, can anyone with the technical knowledge enlighten us on this? Thanks in advance. |
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legrunt Veteran


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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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If the objective is to save petrol, no matter how small the savings is, then you are actually hurting your chances by putting to "N" to coast downhill.
When the ecu registers engine drag, ie, some outside force is turning the engine, eg, rolling downhill while having the gears engaged, then it literally shuts off the injectors (0% duty cycle) and therefore, you are using ZERO petrol.
If, however, you disengage the gears, your car merely becomes deadweight, and you need to slow down using the brakes (wear and tear?) but worse, since the engine no longer has anything turning it, it turns itself, using the idle settings + a small amount to ensure sufficient vacuum is generated in the brake booster. This, obviously uses petrol.
Please, just leave it in "D" and drive normally. |
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pert Amateur


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legrunt Veteran


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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I beleive its to do with how much vacuum your engine is generating to assist the brake booster.
Put it this way... When the engine is doing 3-4k rpm, throttle off... the pistons are sucking way harder than at idle. Therefore, you have more vacuum in the brake booster, increasing the assistance.
Thats why you should never ever coast in neutral. Unless you are already at a very slow speed. Even then its not recommended.
Please, just drive to a stop, then only disengage the gears. For auto cars, there really isnt any excuse for this. |
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sean_siew Newbie


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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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I agree with the Bros above, not to let your car roll in N.
it wont save up much fuel but it'll put your life in risk, not to mention your AT.
Never do that.....Safety 1st. |
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legrunt Veteran


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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| sean_siew wrote: | I agree with the Bros above, not to let your car roll in N.
it wont save up much fuel but it'll put your life in risk, not to mention your AT.
Never do that.....Safety 1st. |
Slightly more correct would be to say, "not only it wont save more fuel, it actually uses MORE fuel"...
Sorry, nit picking... |
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pianrasa Newbie


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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| legrunt wrote: | | sean_siew wrote: | I agree with the Bros above, not to let your car roll in N.
it wont save up much fuel but it'll put your life in risk, not to mention your AT.
Never do that.....Safety 1st. |
Slightly more correct would be to say, "not only it wont save more fuel, it actually uses MORE fuel"...
Sorry, nit picking... |
Bro legrunt : couldn't agree more. very educated argument and informative.. salute! |
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civickong Veteran


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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| legrunt wrote: | If the objective is to save petrol, no matter how small the savings is, then you are actually hurting your chances by putting to "N" to coast downhill.
When the ecu registers engine drag, ie, some outside force is turning the engine, eg, rolling downhill while having the gears engaged, then it literally shuts off the injectors (0% duty cycle) and therefore, you are using ZERO petrol.
If, however, you disengage the gears, your car merely becomes deadweight, and you need to slow down using the brakes (wear and tear?) but worse, since the engine no longer has anything turning it, it turns itself, using the idle settings + a small amount to ensure sufficient vacuum is generated in the brake booster. This, obviously uses petrol.
Please, just leave it in "D" and drive normally. |
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