Auto Foam or Full sets Bars

Civic Mugen · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 09 Jan 2008 Posts: 264

Which 1 will contribute better handling effect ?

Option 1 - Auto Foam

Option 2 - Full Sets Bars available
- Front & Rear ARB
- Front Strut Bar
- Front Lower Strut Bar
- Front H - Bar
- Fender Bar
- Lower Chassis Bar
- Rear Upper Strut Bar
- Rear Tie Bar

- JaY - · Veteran Joined: 08 May 2008 Posts: 346 Location: K.L

Civic Mugen wrote:

Which 1 will contribute better handling effect ?

Option 1 - Auto Foam

Option 2 - Full Sets Bars available
- Front & Rear ARB
- Front Strut Bar
- Front Lower Strut Bar
- Front H - Bar
- Fender Bar
- Lower Chassis Bar
- Rear Upper Strut Bar
- Rear Tie Bar

no doubt option 2, but to have a balance between comfort and handling, take autofoam full package and fsb + arb. option 2 might get u a harsh ride. Very Happy

moksunab · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 193

option 1:
Price ikut pakej (mhl lg power)
Hidden (nk lowered nanti senang)
No resale value (in fact xleh jual balik pun)
Available at kl only (klate xdok)

Option 2:
Price ikut brand, & brape byk bar ko nak
No hidden (racing look pergh, seret bwh kalu lowered)
Ade resale value (good investment, since buleh jual balik)
Nationwide available

Best kalu pakai dua-dua option

fritz · Veteran Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 306 Location: KL

Just my opinion, try to add some chassis strengthening bars which is priority such as FSB, ARB, RTB and etc. The investment won't be too high too.

If you are still not satisfied with the ride, then only to consider adding extra bars or to go autofoam. For handling, also don't forget abt the suspesion. With lots of bars or autofoam, it won't improve the handling to a "good" level if still using stock suspension.

Btw, this is all my humble opinion, please do not shoot me.. Smile

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ridz262 · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 01 Sep 2009 Posts: 228 Location: KL

hmmmm which one maksunab?

Civic Mugen · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 09 Jan 2008 Posts: 264

- JaY - wrote:

Civic Mugen wrote:

Which 1 will contribute better handling effect ?

Option 1 - Auto Foam

Option 2 - Full Sets Bars available
- Front & Rear ARB
- Front Strut Bar
- Front Lower Strut Bar
- Front H - Bar
- Fender Bar
- Lower Chassis Bar
- Rear Upper Strut Bar
- Rear Tie Bar

no doubt option 2, but to have a balance between comfort and handling, take autofoam full package and fsb + arb. option 2 might get u a harsh ride. Very Happy

Bro Jay,

Thx for the advice, seem like really make sense since is a daily car on road.

Civic Mugen · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 09 Jan 2008 Posts: 264

moksunab wrote:

option 1:
Price ikut pakej (mhl lg power)
Hidden (nk lowered nanti senang)
No resale value (in fact xleh jual balik pun)
Available at kl only (klate xdok)

Option 2:
Price ikut brand, & brape byk bar ko nak
No hidden (racing look pergh, seret bwh kalu lowered)
Ade resale value (good investment, since buleh jual balik)
Nationwide available

Best kalu pakai dua-dua option

Betul cakap bang, kalau ada budget mesti pakai AF yang paling power. Kalau dapat Bonus mesti pakai dua-dua sekali.

Civic Mugen · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 09 Jan 2008 Posts: 264

fritz wrote:

Just my opinion, try to add some chassis strengthening bars which is priority such as FSB, ARB, RTB and etc. The investment won't be too high too.

If you are still not satisfied with the ride, then only to consider adding extra bars or to go autofoam. For handling, also don't forget abt the suspesion. With lots of bars or autofoam, it won't improve the handling to a "good" level if still using stock suspension.

Btw, this is all my humble opinion, please do not shoot me.. Smile

Thanks for the friendly advice, fitted with ARB, might go for nkFSB.
AF cost 2-3k, thinking of Mugen shock too tat might cost another 4k. need some time to this in 1 by 1.

toda6866 · Veteran Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 507

change to better suspension 1st la

then u can improve little bits from there by:

- adding bars to alter the handling characteristics slightly depends on where u add.... like tuning the handling. Bars alone wont make u corner king

- I hav no comments on AF la but i dun think AF alone cannot make ur car corner like that old vtec Laughing

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Civic Mugen · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 09 Jan 2008 Posts: 264

toda6866 wrote:

change to better suspension 1st la

then u can improve little bits from there by:

- adding bars to alter the handling characteristics slightly depends on where u add.... like tuning the handling. Bars alone wont make u corner king

- I hav no comments on AF la but i dun think AF alone cannot make ur car corner like that old vtec Laughing

Aiya, now puasa month my wallet also pratice puasa ler.
If searious wan to be Corner King, will fit AF, all kind bars, D2/Ohli shock ...etc

Looking for budget mod.

ed · Club Advisor Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 3281

1. wanna becum Corner King ... go buy a CTR ... u will be king of many corners against many many road going cars ...

2. if u wanna mod the standard FD to take on corners ... the best handling FD2 i know is actually JJT1888's FD2...

3. modding a car's handling characteristics is an age long affair and pretty much depend on one's budget & preference . there is no hard & fast rule which single mod is the best but a combination of varioud mods would give ur std FD enhanced driving experience...

4. most of the time, we are stifled by our limited budget per mod we are able to perform & becos of our "human kiasu factor" we attempt to extract the maximum benefit ...

5. some of us also get influenced by the human "R&D" where we prefer to add new mods on top of the stock components just to see how much we can push the handling characteristics while the stock components wear off over time ...

both the addition of strut bars and AFing the car goes towards these mod direction.

i did both of these mods 1st b4 i went on to upgrade to better tyres then BBK and most recently a new set of Mugen suspensions.

the most essential or priority mods to consider to improve the handling capabilities of the FD should be hv the following in consideration ...

1. Upgrade to 16mm UR Rear ARB(if u go for 18mm for the rear then front ARB must also upgrade)

for FD2 ... pls make sure u install the rear seat room bar ... (FD1 & FD2R comes stock std with it)

buy a pair camber nut for the front so can do around -1 setting lo

2. Summit Front Strut Bar (or any other FTB depend on ur wallet)

3. Summit H-bar & the rear bottom tie bar

(sorry i hv my personal preference towards alumminium bars ... cos pass their tensile strength... the whole piece snaps into 2 and the chassis is not bend along with it unlike steel strut bars)

4. AutoFoam Sports package

5. Upgrade to better tyres ... 225 width tyres are the best ... u hv a choice of Federal RS-R, Gdyear RS Sport, B/Stone RE001s, Gdyear Asymmetrics, Michelin PP2, Yokohama S-drives ...

there are all within the price range of RM380 to 600/pc for 17"

6. Change ur Suspensions ... and/or upgrade ur AF to Ultimate or SuperUltimate (invincible roll cage thing)

i hv my personal preference towards Mugens cos they are bolt on ... i dont need to crack my head over how many clicks to adjust & they retain reasonable handling comfort on our Msian roads and totally transform the handling characteristics when driven hard ... the next more popular that i tend to lean towards are TEIN coilovers ... followed by BC-BR coilovers ... if u r hardcore ... GAB SS lo.

if u prefer more comfort than performance handling then KONI FSDs are the way to go ...

i'll forgo looking at the custom TITANs becus they are just not good enough (not enough FDs to do effective R&D for the best handling) for our FD ... good for the Protons cos got more R&D done as many customer cars ady

i wont recommend just upgrading the springs as well cos its gonna torture your stock absorbers only ...

i was told SKUNK2 just came out with a set of adjustables for our FD as well ... should be in by mth end at Pentagon.

if there was a suspension available for the std FD with $$ not an issue ... i would got for OHLINs .... period.

7. still not happy with the handling ??? then put la the Gusset plate (at the front fender side) ... put the JsRacing cabin room strut bars and rear suspension room bar ...

buy a camber kit for front & rear ... so u can go -2 camber at least ...

have i left anything out ????

if u wanna go hardcore ... upgrade to FD2R front suspension arms... engine mounting etc et ... so can put in FD2R suspension set as well

if still not happy ... 1 final frontier ... strip the whole car bare till the chassis ... spot weld it and throw in a roll cage ...

my 2cents ...

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ridz262 · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 01 Sep 2009 Posts: 228 Location: KL

agreed. muney cum first, then better comes later. i also dah cuba try banyak since go ride with slk - small little kancil.....hahahahaha, upgrading by changing coilover wont have much effective handling. it will tear off the absobers very very fast........so do anyone have any ideas and opinion to share with me and others? need all sifu to teach me some more info.....our brother just gives some good info also.....tenkiu.

Civic Mugen · Amateur Lvl 2 Joined: 09 Jan 2008 Posts: 264

ed wrote:

1. wanna becum Corner King ... go buy a CTR ... u will be king of many corners against many many road going cars ...

2. if u wanna mod the standard FD to take on corners ... the best handling FD2 i know is actually JJT1888's FD2...

3. modding a car's handling characteristics is an age long affair and pretty much depend on one's budget & preference . there is no hard & fast rule which single mod is the best but a combination of varioud mods would give ur std FD enhanced driving experience...

4. most of the time, we are stifled by our limited budget per mod we are able to perform & becos of our "human kiasu factor" we attempt to extract the maximum benefit ...

5. some of us also get influenced by the human "R&D" where we prefer to add new mods on top of the stock components just to see how much we can push the handling characteristics while the stock components wear off over time ...

both the addition of strut bars and AFing the car goes towards these mod direction.

i did both of these mods 1st b4 i went on to upgrade to better tyres then BBK and most recently a new set of Mugen suspensions.

the most essential or priority mods to consider to improve the handling capabilities of the FD should be hv the following in consideration ...

1. Upgrade to 16mm UR Rear ARB(if u go for 18mm for the rear then front ARB must also upgrade)

for FD2 ... pls make sure u install the rear seat room bar ... (FD1 & FD2R comes stock std with it)

buy a pair camber nut for the front so can do around -1 setting lo

2. Summit Front Strut Bar (or any other FTB depend on ur wallet)

3. Summit H-bar & the rear bottom tie bar

(sorry i hv my personal preference towards alumminium bars ... cos pass their tensile strength... the whole piece snaps into 2 and the chassis is not bend along with it unlike steel strut bars)

4. AutoFoam Sports package

5. Upgrade to better tyres ... 225 width tyres are the best ... u hv a choice of Federal RS-R, Gdyear RS Sport, B/Stone RE001s, Gdyear Asymmetrics, Michelin PP2, Yokohama S-drives ...

there are all within the price range of RM380 to 600/pc for 17"

6. Change ur Suspensions ... and/or upgrade ur AF to Ultimate or SuperUltimate (invincible roll cage thing)

i hv my personal preference towards Mugens cos they are bolt on ... i dont need to crack my head over how many clicks to adjust & they retain reasonable handling comfort on our Msian roads and totally transform the handling characteristics when driven hard ... the next more popular that i tend to lean towards are TEIN coilovers ... followed by BC-BR coilovers ... if u r hardcore ... GAB SS lo.

if u prefer more comfort than performance handling then KONI FSDs are the way to go ...

i'll forgo looking at the custom TITANs becus they are just not good enough (not enough FDs to do effective R&D for the best handling) for our FD ... good for the Protons cos got more R&D done as many customer cars ady

i wont recommend just upgrading the springs as well cos its gonna torture your stock absorbers only ...

i was told SKUNK2 just came out with a set of adjustables for our FD as well ... should be in by mth end at Pentagon.

if there was a suspension available for the std FD with $$ not an issue ... i would got for OHLINs .... period.

7. still not happy with the handling ??? then put la the Gusset plate (at the front fender side) ... put the JsRacing cabin room strut bars and rear suspension room bar ...

buy a camber kit for front & rear ... so u can go -2 camber at least ...

have i left anything out ????

if u wanna go hardcore ... upgrade to FD2R front suspension arms... engine mounting etc et ... so can put in FD2R suspension set as well

if still not happy ... 1 final frontier ... strip the whole car bare till the chassis ... spot weld it and throw in a roll cage ...

my 2cents ...

Wah, bro Ed if all this extreme part in sound like a Fun car to drive around, but not pratical for daily user which travel alot like me(harder feeling & lower)

By doing so with all the full option parts on FD2(a) must well buy a FD2R and mod it, make more sense(no way to get near to FD2R chassis setting).

FD2(a) was design sporty look on outside and enhance handling compare with its rival on same categories.
Hence, shall fine tune it to fun to drive, comfort at the same time improve on handling.

Mugen Suspension is a good choice to choose, it gain max point on its chart for comfort,handling & durability.(on my list
to come)

AF will be added advantage enhance chassis stracture strengthen, but many choice to choose. This is my headache with budget $$$.
Need some advice from bro on difference package to comment.

Hon2dua · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject: AF

After I have AFed my FD2, no more sway at Gua Tempurong. However, I have no experience on the 2nd option. My balik kg trip from Penang to Johore. Really can attack the corner but not double the posted speed limit. I am using Toyo cs1, good grip in dry n wet weather condition.

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ceteh · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject:

Upgrade the stock pad and possibly the rotor too or BBK should be part of the formula too ... Smile

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