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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: MEMANASKAN ENJIN ADALAH MITOS Reply with quote

Any comment Wink Rolling Eyes

MEMANASKAN ENJIN ADALAH MITOS:

Upacara memanaskan enjin adalah antara amalan yang sinonim dengan hampir semua pengguna kenderaan di seluruh negara. Tak kiralah sama ada pemandu kereta, lori, van, bas sekolah, kereta kebal, motosikal berkuasa rendah dan sebagainya termasuk helikopter. Biasanya amalan ini dilakukan pada waktu pagi sebelum ke tempat kerja atau ke sebarang destinasi. Ada yang memanaskan enjin selama satu minit. Ada yang memanaskan selama 5 minit.

Ada yang keluar rumah, hidupkan enjin kereta, masuk rumah, sarapan, pakai stokin, pakai kasut, kunci pintu dan baru terhegeh-hegeh masuk kereta untuk memulakan perjalanan. Gua syak makan masa dalam 15 minit juga. Brader-brader macam tu gua ingat mesti bangun awal punya. Semua ini dilakukan kononnya demi untuk menjaga enjin. Demi untuk memastikan jangkahayat enjin panjang dan sentiasa berprestasi tip top.

Masalahnya sekarang, di manakah pelajaran tentang memanaskan enjin ini diajar? Kalau tak silap gua, masa sekolah dulu pun tak ada pun cikgu-cikgu yang pandai-pandai ajar pasal benda ni. Masa pergi ambil kursus memandu di JPJ pun tak ada belajar benda-benda macam ni. Di univesiti pun tak ada belajar. Sekolah-sekolah agama rakyat pun tak ada menyediakan tajuk ini di dalam silibus pembelajaran mereka. Jadi di mana? Berdasarkan pemerhatian gua dengan sedikit kajian, upacara pemanasan enjin telah dilakukan sejak zaman-berzaman. Mula-mula mungkin datuk gua start panaskan enjin kereta dia sebelum pergi sekolah kerja guru besar.

Kemudian bapa gua pula bila dah pakai kereta, teringat pula amalan datuk gua masa nak pergi sekolah dulu. Jadi bapa gua pun setiap pagi sebelum nak pergi kerja panaskanlah juga enjin Volvo kegemarannya. Kemudian bila gua dah besar, dah pakai kereta sports dua pintu, gua pula ikut panaskan enjin kereta.

Tapi sebenarnya gua tak buat. Sebab gua ada ilmu pengetahuan tentang enjin. Tambah lagi biasanya gua bangun lambat. Soalnya sekarang adakah pemanasan enjin ini perlu dilakukan? Apa kebaikannya dan apa keburukannya? Lagi satu kalau anda bijak laksana, siapa orang yang mula-mula panaskan enjin kenderaan di Malaysia ni?

Di negara-negara yang mementingkan penjagaan alam sekitar untuk kehidupan dunia yang lebih baik di masa mendatang, pemanasan enjin adalah tidak digalakkan dan sesetengahnya ditegah. Negara Kanada telah memulakan kempen nasional mereka untuk mengurangkan pemanasan enjin yang tidak diperlukan. Kempen yang sama turut dilakukan di Jepun , United Kingdom dan di Amerika Syarikat. Ada di antaranya sudah menetapkan satu undang-undang bahawa enjin kenderaan tidak boleh dibiarkan hidup dalam keadaan pepura (idling) melebihi 5 minit atau 3 minit bagi kenderaan ringan. Kenapa perkara ini ditegah?

The Canadian Office of Energy Efficiency telah bersetuju bahawa cara yang terbaik untuk memanaskan enjin adalah dengan memandunya. Walaupun suhu persekitaran berada di takat -20 darjah selsius, mereka menyarankan enjin kenderaan hanya perlu dipanaskan pada sekitar 15-30 saat sebelum meluncur ke jalanraya. Bayangkanlah berapa agaknya suhu di Malaysia ? Gua rasa memang dah tak payah nak panaskan enjin lagi dah. Start kereta terus jalan saja.

Salah seorang jurutera penghantaran kuasa di Ford, Amerika Syarikat iaitu Les Ryder berkata, “Engines run best at their design temperature”. Berdasarkan kenyataan Encik Les Ryder itu, operasi enjin yang cekap, bersih dan efisien hanya berlaku pada suhu enjin di tahap 85-90 darjah selsius. Oleh itu membiarkan enjin lu orang di dalam keadaan pepura (idling) adalah bukan cara yang terbaik atau terpantas untuk memanaskan enjin. Lebih baik jika memandunya atau dengan kata lain stail Amerika, lagi ‘gentle’ kalau pandu terus.

Tabiat memanaskan enjin atau membiarkan enjin berada di dalam keadaan pepura (idling) dikatakan adalah satu perkara yang tidak baik dan berfaedah. Pertamanya ia menyebabkan pembakaran bahanapi tidak dapat dilakukan dengan sempurna. Pembakaran tidak lengkap membawa kesan buruk kepada dinding silinder. Sisa bahan api yang tidak terbakar akan turun ke dinding silinder lalu membersihkan minyak pelincir yang berada di dinding silinder.

Maka apa yang terjadi adalah dinding silinder akan mengalami kehausan akibat tiada pelinciran di bahagian sepatutnya. Bahan api yang tidak terbakar juga boleh jadi akan turun perlahan-lahan ke bahagian takung minyak pelincir. Apabila ia bergaul, sifat minyak pelicir akan berubah dan hilang kecekapannya.

Di samping itu, tabiat ini juga boleh mendatangkan masalah kepada palam pencucuh. Ia akan menganggu suhu kerja palam pencucuh. Palam pencucuh yang tidak berada di suhu sepatutnya akan menjadi kotor. Oleh yang demikian ia akan mendatangkan kesan kepada peningkatan bahan api sebanyak 5%.

Pada waktu pagi, sesetengah kenderaan biasanya akan mengeluarkan wap dari ekzos. Wap itu bukanlah wap minyak daripada enjin yang mengalami kehausan. Ia adalah wap air normal yang terhasil daripada enjin yang sejuk. Jadi apabila terlalu lama enjin dibiarkan dalam keadaan pepura (idling), bertambah lama untuk enjin mengambil masa untuk panas. Ini menyebabkan wap air akan sentiasa berada di dalam sistem ekzos yang mana akan menjadikan paip ekzos cepat berkarat.

Kenderaan pada masa kini biasanya akan terdapat sebuah komponen yang dinamakan Catalytic Converter pada sistem ekzosnya. Kereta-kereta Malaysia pun gua tengok dah mula pakai. Komponen ini disediakan bertujuan untuk mengurangkan tahap toksik yang terdapat pada sisa atau hasil pembakaran sebuah enjin pembakaran dalaman. Antara kerja yang dilakukan komponen ini termasuklah men-convert karbon monoksida kepada karbon dioksida, mengurangkan nitrogen oksida kepada nitrogen dan air, mengoksidakan hidrokarbon yang tidak terbakar kepada karbon dioksida dan air dan sebagainya. Jadi faedah yang boleh diperolehi daripada komponen ini ialah pencemaran udara dapat diminimakan.

Walaubagaimana pun, masalah yang timbul jika enjin berada di dalam keadaan pepura (idling), komponen ini tidak berfungsi. Maka enjin dengan sesuka hati dapat mencemarkan udara. Komponen ini akan berfungsi hanya pada tahap suhu 400 – 800 darjah selsius yang dimana adalah pada satu kadar suhu yang sangat panas berbanding enjin. Semasa suhu itu ia akan bertindak menukar bahan tercemar dari sisa pembakaran enjin kepada bahan yang kurang berbahaya kepada alam sekitar.

Bagi memastikan komponen ini cepat dan dapat berada di suhu yang mana ia boleh beroperasi, lu orang perlulah memandu. Bukan meninggalkan kereta hidup terbiar. Semakin lama enjin dibiarkan dalam keadaan pepura (idling) maka semakin lama juga Catalytic Converter ini tidur dan tak bekerja. Lu orang syak apa agaknya yang terjadi kepada alam sekitar?

Sekarang kita sudah mengetahui serba sedikit tentang keburukan memanaskan enjin. Ada tiga kesan yang penting di situ iaitu membazir bahan api, mencemarkan alam sekitar dan memunah wang ringgit. Mari kita lihat apa pula kebaikkan memanaskan enjin. Khabar-khabar angin mengatakan memanaskan enjin juga ada faedahnya. Salah satu perkara yang disebut adalah semasa enjin ditinggalkan di dalam satu tempoh yang agak lama, iaitu mungkin sehingga satu malam, bahan pelinciran akan turun meninggalkan komponen yang bergerak di dalam enjin ke bahagian bawah enjin.

Jadi apabila kita mula menghidupkan enjin, kita perlu mengambil sedikit masa untuk memanaskannya supaya dapat memberi peluang bahan pelinciran itu naik dan beredar di setiap inci dan penjuru komponen dalaman enjin. Ya perkara ini benar. Tetapi apa yang lu orang perlu tahu bahawa setiap enjin telah dilengkapkan dengan satu komponen yang dipanggil pam minyak pelincir. Pam minyak pelincir ini dijana oleh pusingan crankshaft. Makin laju crankshaft berpusing maka makin cepat pam bahan api berpusing seterusnya mengagihkan minyak pelincir ke bahagian dalaman enjin.. Untuk memastikan crankshaft ini berpusing laju apa yang lu orang perlu buat? Adakah dengan hanya membiarkan enjin dalam keadaan pepura (idling)?

Kesimpulannya di sini tabiat memanaskan enjin di waktu pagi yang kononnya lagi lama lagi bagus adalah satu mitos yang tidak diketahui hujung pangkalnya. Perkara ikut-ikutan seperti ini bukanlah satu perkara yang asing bagi kita rakyat Malaysia . BMW sendiri pun cukup pantang kalau orang warm up enjin keretanya. Sebab dia orang tahu kalau enjin cepat rosak nanti mesti lu orang kompelin. Sebab itu kalau boleh BMW nak lepas hidup saja enjin kereta, terus blah cepat-cepat. Jangan tunggu-tunggu. Ini karang siap boleh masuk rumah pekena roti dua tiga keping, layan teh dulu sambil sembang-sembang dengan bini tapi enjin kereta terbiar hidup.

Satu perkara lagi yang boleh membantu mengurangkan pencemaran alam sekitar dan pembaziran bahan api adalah dengan mematikan enjin jika kenderaan lu orang tidak bergerak. Kalau tunggu makwe turun LRT, berhenti tepi jalan bergayut dengan telefon, tunggu bini masuk pasar mini beli barang dapur, dan tunggu anak balik sekolah depan pagar sekolah bawa bawalah matikan dulu enjin.

Perkara itu tidak memberi sebarang faedah langsung malah boleh menyebabkan masalah pencemaran udara dan alam sekitar serta pembaziran wang ringgit. Sedarkah anda di dalam tempoh setahun, sikap mengurangkan enjin dibiarkan hidup dalam keadaan pepura (idling) ini mampu menjimatkan beratus ribu juta ringgit dan mampu menghentikan perlepasan jutaan tan gas rumah hijau ke atmosfera yang membawa pemanasan global.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any english version?

my bahasa karat edi.... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO..refer to owner's manual.. It's written somewhere in the manual whether we should warm up the engine or not..My old wira needs warm up or otherwise jerk like hell. toyota rush- no warming up-it's specifically wrtitten in the manual. Our civic..need warm up if i'm not mistaken.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toda6866 wrote:
any english version?

my bahasa karat edi.... Rolling Eyes


sorry bro..i got it from email..

any freelance translator here... Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tapi pomen cakap, enjin honda ni bila panas lagi power.....
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kasi panas tambah power..len macam tuh bro... Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i already read about this acticle 5 month ago..also from an email..when we read bout what ve bro putra wrote..im not deny that the article was masuk akal...but somebody..i don't know what his name...wrote that no need to warming up engine is nonsense..with a very good explaination..later on i;ll find what he has wrote...wait for it,but im not promise to get it..if im not delete it in may folder..im also wanna know whose right and whose wrong...kalau what we ve practise selama ni salah..boleh juga kite ubah...keep learn until die

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what i've heard n practise for my ageing old volvo i drove, start the car when u going to drive it. Warm up the engine while driving.. stationary warming up is kinda useless because it only warms up the engine but not the other parts.. Parts like transmission and etc also needs to be warmed up. So, i start the car when im goin to drive it and will drive slowly till engine warmed up.. Once warmed up can tekan lah..

btw my volvo use to have jerkiness before warm up.. well.. its been like that for years but got once i told my mechanic, he says nonsense and he just adjust something(i suspect my engine timing when cold) and viola, the problem disappeared.. no more jerkiness when start up and dont need crank like a thousand times to start..

btw, it was my volvo 240gl(injection)(dad's car given to me). This car has cold start problem and jerkiness before warm up.. but once sent to a very wonderful mechanic, whoosh.. its great now.. jus install one more relay to starter and adjust timing, now only crank once can start and no more nonsense jerkiness and mati enjin when cold.. haha.. volvo for life.. oops..
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think only car engineer can answer this.

But then why fd rpm run above 1k when starting the car? And it come down only after engine warm up. It should serve some purpose. Rolling Eyes

Maybe Honda engineers also follow grand father taught whitout asking Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the act of warming up the engine has many benefits :-

1. ensure all the constant -moving engine internals as well as transmission system are well lubricated b4 any major "stress" is exerted when engine rpm is increased as we drive

2. ensure the external engine parts such as air con compressor, timing belt etc are warmed up to presever longevity

3. ensure the ECU diagnostics has scanned thro the overall status of the car to ensure all parameters are within recommended conditions

(yes, when u start the engine from cold, the rpm is always around 1.1 to 1.2k rpm .. or else rpm on idling hot engine is just below 1k rpm)

if this article is so RIGHT, then wat we viewers have been watching, listening & reading on F1 is all a myth as well ?

on another practical analogy, its just the same way when the muslims who r breaking fast (after fasting the whole day) consume light kuih or drinks b4 consuming the main meal. same concept la.... a major download of food is gonna "shock" the digestive system & is bad for health.

i make it a point to at least warm up the engine w/out depressing on the accelerator 30s in the morning & i keep the rpm within 2k-2.5k range for the 1st 1km of driving. and i only switch on my air con after say driving for 200-300m. tis was actually adviced by a aircon technician.

i also warm up my brakes (at least stoping over a differential of 20kph 2-3x b4 i step on the gas further.

its a good driving habit to preserve the longevity of the car apart from ensuring

1. engine oil is changed timely (depending on oil rating)

2. atf oil is changed every 25-30k (i watched a video featuring SPOON president , that transmission oil should ideally be changed every engine oil change if possible)

3. brake fluid is changed every time if change my front pads (which is every 10-12mths, which around 20k-25k mileage)

my 2cents ...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100% agreed to WARM UP ENGINE B4 DRIVE !!!

its technically true.. Please bare in mind that engine is a combination of most of engineering, eg. mechanical, electrical, thermodynamics, fluid, gas etc.., and again this cannot be apart from its nature. To simplify things just take fews thought here;

1- Ignite key on before crank engine: Best take few second example until our beeping sound gone before turn the ingnition key. This to ensure our BCM (the module that controls all the electrical parts) is having sufficient time to ensure all related to this BCM is triggered and gives required "signals" back to this module..and module can have sufficient timing to process these inputs. Afterthat, baru start engine... This electrical SOP also a norm pratices to most of elctrical devices, which also require electricalwarm-up. Macro view this may not be crucial. And if we look into micro, this will release a shock that may happened to the electricals devices and its module(the main processor). This also mcm computer jugak...Tekan 'ON" saja windows will not immediately appears. It has been design to take few warm-up seconds before the unit can be up.

2- Bila engine dh start, mechanical parts will run together with the electrical signals and also the air and fluids which require for the combustion. Again, thermodynamic eng principals is in place. Senang saja, minyak panas and minyak sejuk, angin panas and angin sejuk tak sama sifatnya. Therefore, for optimum running condition, its suppose to be at theirs optimal conditions which all these have been designed by the engine engineers. Thats why, when our engine starts, it will having above than 1k RPM for few seconds before its back to idling RPM. This is to ensure all conditions are at theirs optimal condition before best we drive the car. ---> cut it short.. to fullfill the Materials Properties requirements

3- during engine warm-up, even stationary the gearbox is alsowarming up. I have experience myself. Morning start, 1 min warm up and 3 min warmup can feels d different. Try ur self.

Macam nk masak or even baked a cake, u would need to warm up the oven or panne to some extend of temperature b4 u cook or bake and it will not taste the same if vice versa...x percaya cubalaa Wink

F1 is the guru of automotive. Juz take what they have all considered for the most optimum to get best from it...

Start n go...from my 2cent will not have any extra advantage. U just maybe culd save few $$, but this could not compensate the damages to the car that may happen later...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it all depends how long we want to keep our car.
For me...I will keep it for 7-9yrs only....I think its not really needed to warm up my engine.
If we want to keep the car for 15-20yrs....then need to warm up the engine.
Not to offend anyone here...just my point of view.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yuppp...

in the owner's manual... 1 minute warming up...

p/s: just like playing sports... we do need to warm up bros...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bro civic-sss,

hope u keep your fingers cross lo.

my bro's altis broke down when he keep tis habit like yours within 3yrs ... cos few times sit in his car, he terus start car, switch on aircon & step on it... his rationale, i paid rm110k+ for this car ...

as 3yrs ownership became nearer ... atf gear box rosak 1st then timing belt ... then something to do with the valve clearance inside etc etc... mileage only 30k+ that time.

there is no assurance wear and tear of mechanical parts can break down. each of our car has been tested with tolerance of at least 3yrs or 100,000km mileage, whichever earlier... based on normal driving conditions

however, if we do not practise some care on the car .... parts do break down eventually ... perhaps faster than should.

all boils down to owner car-care habits ....


civic-sss wrote:
I think it all depends how long we want to keep our car.
For me...I will keep it for 7-9yrs only....I think its not really needed to warm up my engine.
If we want to keep the car for 15-20yrs....then need to warm up the engine.
Not to offend anyone here...just my point of view.
Thanks.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed wrote:
bro civic-sss,

hope u keep your fingers cross lo.

my bro's altis broke down when he keep tis habit like yours within 3yrs ... cos few times sit in his car, he terus start car, switch on aircon & step on it... his rationale, i paid rm110k+ for this car ...

as 3yrs ownership became nearer ... atf gear box rosak 1st then timing belt ... then something to do with the valve clearance inside etc etc... mileage only 30k+ that time.

there is no assurance wear and tear of mechanical parts can break down. each of our car has been tested with tolerance of at least 3yrs or 100,000km mileage, whichever earlier... based on normal driving conditions

however, if we do not practise some care on the car .... parts do break down eventually ... perhaps faster than should.

all boils down to owner car-care habits ....


civic-sss wrote:
I think it all depends how long we want to keep our car.
For me...I will keep it for 7-9yrs only....I think its not really needed to warm up my engine.
If we want to keep the car for 15-20yrs....then need to warm up the engine.
Not to offend anyone here...just my point of view.
Thanks.


Isit...scary la bro.....anyway...this is my first Honda....before this....I have owned Wira n Waja for 7yrs each.....never warm up the engine.....but.....both also never fails me....just normal service only.
I dunno about Honda cars....maybe must start to warmup the engine already for precaution.
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