Any suggestion for the good Springs?

jase21st · LvL 2 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 83

I am on FL FD2 , any sifus here could recommend me the Springs which is not too low(2fingers-2fingers half) which can improve our FD2 handling and overall performance than the stocks, at the same time I don't really want too bumpy..mean good handling and balance+won't lost the comfort too. Something like ABT springs. The reason I wan change only the Springs, because I really tak boleh tahan our FL FD2 uneven height anymore...so please i need your pro advice Smile

mcwk · Committee Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 2115 Location: Melaka

Hi Bro,

I don't think that the uneven height is caused by springs.

Anyway, harder springs on stock shocks will shorten shock life.

So far, most here go for either shock upgrade (Koni FSD) with either stock springs or upgrade (Eibach), or go for full coilover solution (Teins / BCBR). If you search the forum, you will find some reviews and can then judge for yourself what suits you the best.

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jase21st · LvL 2 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 83

mcwk wrote:

Hi Bro,

I don't think that the uneven height is caused by springs.

Anyway, harder springs on stock shocks will shorten shock life.

So far, most here go for either shock upgrade (Koni FSD) with either stock springs or upgrade (Eibach), or go for full coilover solution (Teins / BCBR). If you search the forum, you will find some reviews and can then judge for yourself what suits you the best.

Thanks Bro mcwk,

If it's not the spring which cause the uneven height, would you please tell me what it is about? I am a nub in Suspension knowledge...you were saying upgrade(eibach) is it mean spring&absorbar also changing Eibach? Shock is absorbar right? "full coilover solution" is it mean fully adjustable? Willl thanks for your kindly reply man:)

blue · Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:23 am Post subject:

Bro, what makes you think you have uneven ride? Did you try measure the height on each corners? Both front and back?

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jase21st · LvL 2 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 83

blue wrote:

Bro, what makes you think you have uneven ride? Did you try measure the height on each corners? Both front and back?

Hi bro,

I had mention this my issue before "http://eightgc2.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?t=7206&mforum=eightgc2". Even the SC have no solution on this...when i measure only realize is more than 1cm(about 1.5cm) which u can judge by viewing...so it makes me think tat..also saw another bro having this issue oso..i think no pro in real ride..but oni "beh song" in viewing..and this uneven height is so so not professional job u know..different abit of height ok lar..but man..this is like can tell by ur eyes u know..

blue · Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject:

Bro, I understand. I also have this issue, but my issue is quite serious. I think mine can measure in inches rather than cm. Very Happy

And the best part, this only happen after I sent the car to the SC for steering rack replacement. On getting my car back, the ride damn uneven and got lot of vibration problems. After months of investigating, KC of KL Auto realised my one side spring looks very very much shorter than the other side at the rear (that's why I asked how did you check yours). Springs at the back quite easy to see. The front ones more difficult. You can't see this off-course when the car is jacked up, so need to do some stunts. Can also compare the absorber length at rest. In the end, there are only so many things holding the car up that affect the car's height.

Looking just at the wheel base (using fingers) or using tape to measure body height from the floor doesn't give us any clue on what to do. I'm getting a pro to check this for me as it could be a spring issue, or an absorber issue or spring mounting or dampers etc.

0.5cm is oklah. Even tyres are not made that accurately and cause a slight shift from one side to another. But more than 1cm-2cm, can consider investigating.

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blue · Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject:

Beware ya, you change springs still got ride height issue, you will then kick yourself.

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jase21st · LvL 2 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 83

Hi Bro,

I really appreciate your reply:) But Had solve your problem yet?..Yea after you told me change springs will still cause the uneven height problem i think i will might as well go for change the springs &absorbers(Mugen should be have none of this uneven problem right?) By the way where is your SC? Mine is in SS13.

hotel kilo · ACE Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 2105 Location: Klang Valley

jase21st wrote:

Hi Bro,

I really appreciate your reply:) But Had solve your problem yet?..Yea after you told me change springs will still cause the uneven height problem i think i will might as well go for change the springs &absorbers(Mugen should be have none of this uneven problem right?) By the way where is your SC? Mine is in SS13.

There are many variables. Its not only spirngs and aborbers. Others to consider is the bushes, arms, chassis stamping and body panels. If height diffeence is REALLY an issue for you then you need to get somehting that is height adjsutable. The Mugen sport susp is not. Bear in mind changing to height adjustble suspension can bring other issues to light.

Another thing to add is that once the adjustable height susp is installed, this appearnce that the height is balanced is only when the car was adjusted as it was loaded / weighted at the time. Onceyou have passengers or gear in the trunk the car will not look the same.

jase21st · LvL 2 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 83

hotel kilo wrote:

jase21st wrote:

Hi Bro,

I really appreciate your reply:) But Had solve your problem yet?..Yea after you told me change springs will still cause the uneven height problem i think i will might as well go for change the springs &absorbers(Mugen should be have none of this uneven problem right?) By the way where is your SC? Mine is in SS13.

There are many variables. Its not only spirngs and aborbers. Others to consider is the bushes, arms, chassis stamping and body panels. If height diffeence is REALLY an issue for you then you need to get somehting that is height adjsutable. The Mugen sport susp is not. Bear in mind changing to height adjustble suspension can bring other issues to light.

Another thing to add is that once the adjustable height susp is installed, this appearnce that the height is balanced is only when the car was adjusted as it was loaded / weighted at the time. Onceyou have passengers or gear in the trunk the car will not look the same.

Wow Bro hotel kilo, really thanks for your reply man:) seems like there are unfinished issue to solve then...yea my SC also tell me the same change it to fully adjustable suspension..but i didn't understand how come it will affect the light..such as?? Bro, as u mention about the bushes, arms, chassis stamping and body panels, if i just change my springs&absorber(adjustable)without changing the rest...is it will affect the car balancing&handling?(let's forget about the others thing like struts bar and etc) I usually just drive myself only& my boots always clean..so as long as default condition balance and overall balancing improve from stock then the rest would be no big deal to me, because i also wan my FD lower to two fingers actually. The rest will slowly improve step by step...cost like boom leh..hahaha Laughing

So What would u suggest me to do now? Have your improve your suspension&springs already? Please advise me what should i do or any one here have change the things that I mention i would love to hear your comments also Smile

hotel kilo · ACE Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 2105 Location: Klang Valley

jase21st wrote:

Bro, as u mention about the bushes, arms, chassis stamping and body panels, if i just change my springs&absorber(adjustable)without changing the rest...is it will affect the car balancing&handling?(let's forget about the others thing like struts bar and etc) I usually just drive myself only& my boots always clean..so as long as default condition balance and overall balancing improve from stock then the rest would be no big deal to me, because i also wan my FD lower to two fingers actually. The rest will slowly improve step by step...cost like boom leh..hahaha Laughing

So What would u suggest me to do now? Have your improve your suspension&springs already? Please advise me what should i do or any one here have change the things that I mention i would love to hear your comments also Smile

Unless you race your car IMO you will not feel the effect of Balancing and handling.

Since your concern is on balanced look of the ride height and I read no concerns on ride quality or cost, i'd say go for adjustable suspension (coilovers).

jase21st · LvL 2 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 83

hotel kilo wrote:

jase21st wrote:

Bro, as u mention about the bushes, arms, chassis stamping and body panels, if i just change my springs&absorber(adjustable)without changing the rest...is it will affect the car balancing&handling?(let's forget about the others thing like struts bar and etc) I usually just drive myself only& my boots always clean..so as long as default condition balance and overall balancing improve from stock then the rest would be no big deal to me, because i also wan my FD lower to two fingers actually. The rest will slowly improve step by step...cost like boom leh..hahaha Laughing

So What would u suggest me to do now? Have your improve your suspension&springs already? Please advise me what should i do or any one here have change the things that I mention i would love to hear your comments also Smile

Unless you race your car IMO you will not feel the effect of Balancing and handling.

Since your concern is on balanced look of the ride height and I read no concerns on ride quality or cost, i'd say go for adjustable suspension (coilovers).

Thanks for your suggestion man. But beside just look &balance, i also very concern about riding quality (comfort & stable &won't cost too much of body rolling) mean overall batter than stock riding feel for at least 30-50%. I am not mean I don't concert about the price but i'll concern more about the quality..if its good stuffs then it's worth for paying.

HONDA_81 · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject:

go for eibach spring not bad......

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hotel kilo · ACE Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 2105 Location: Klang Valley

jase21st wrote:

Thanks for your suggestion man. But beside just look &balance, i also very concern about riding quality (comfort & stable &won't cost too much of body rolling) mean overall batter than stock riding feel for at least 30-50%. I am not mean I don't concert about the price but i'll concern more about the quality..if its good stuffs then it's worth for paying.

Aisey now you add other factor (Comfort & stable/handling) in then this changes things.

Comfort and handling will always have some compromise. You can't have both but you can have a balance. Unfortunately I don't how you think but for the average person going for coilovers will lose significant comfort but gain on handling. Probably try some of the members cars with coilovers during TT and then decide whether ok for you or not.

jase21st · LvL 2 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 83

[quote="hotel kilo"]

jase21st wrote:

Thanks for your suggestion man. But beside just look &balance, i also very concern about riding quality (comfort & stable &won't cost too much of body rolling) mean overall batter than stock riding feel for at least 30-50%. I am not mean I don't concert about the price but i'll concern more about the quality..if its good stuffs then it's worth for paying.

Aisey now you add other factor (Comfort & stable/handling) in then this changes things.

Comfort and handling will always have some compromise. You can't have both but you can have a balance. Unfortunately I don't how you think but for the average person going for coilovers will lose significant comfort but gain on handling. Probably try some of the members cars with coilovers during TT and then decide whether ok for you or not.

Haha..i und man...comfort&handling must choose one issue.. by the way really appreciate your suggestion...saya ada mention early in my first question there ma...i mean i just hope minimum batter than stock comfort abit nia..handling top priority~ Hope can join u guys TT next time man..i haven't join a single TT yet man..hahah. Aye man see ya:)